Appalachian Patria

Appalachian Intellectual. To me that means plain thinking. I am A Non Commissioned Officer in the Army Reserves. Let me say...My views expressed here are mine and not those of The U.S. Army, Army Reserve or my fellow brethren in The National Guard. This is entirely Sua Sponte. This is My Thinking. I'm single and in my mid 30's. Politicaly, I'm a Libertarian. (Again, Sua Sponte.I do not represent the Libertarian Party.)I love my native Appalachia, Rock n Roll and...I love God.

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Location: Brevard, North Caroilina

I started blogging for two reasons. I was concerned about the changes to the area I live in, Southern Appalachia and I was about to go to the war. I was in Iraq in 06 and 07 and now Kuwait in 11 and 12. Blogging was a means of documenting my experiences and hoping it would help gain clarity. I don't feel that way about it any more. It's said people write blogs because they are frustrated, that's why people read them too. That makes us sound apocalyptic. Are we? Let it be said, what I say here is of my own thinking. This is entirely Sua Sponte and not an official representation of the U.S. Military or the U.S. Government as a whole.

Sunday, February 22, 2009

A Hell Of it's Own

I read a post on Ruminations From The Distant Hills that referred to the corner of Transylvania and Henderson Counties on the South Carolina Border. Gulahiyi spoke of something I had not heard about, a stone pillar marking the N.C./S.C. line. He quoted a passage from what was apparently a Union Soldier. It got me to thinking of what I know of those days here.

Not far as the Crow fly from the place he wrote of, Standing Stone Mountain, in S.C is a place called Jones Gap. My Grand Father told me that when he was young there was a human skull that layed out there. The story was, to his knowledge, that it was where a deserter of one Army or the other had been killed. Supposedly beheaded. Interestingly, as a local ghost story, a headless horseman is supposed to be seen at the bridge on Williamson Creek Road, apparently searching for his head. It's been said he was a Soldier from the War Between the States. My Grand Father never made the parallel to us about the two stories. But then in the mid 1860's, these were rough parts.


My Great Great Granddad had a hole in his side
He used to tell the story to the family Christmas night
Got shot at Shiloh, thought he'd die alone
From a Yankee bullet, less than thirty miles from home

Drive By Trucker's "The Southern Thing"

The Southern Thing - Drive-By Truckers

The day Transylvania became a County (Carved out of some of it's neighbors) the first thing it had to do was build a Company of men. I don't know the numbers or statistics, but as the war went on, it took nearly every man there was. And some chose not to fight for the Confederacy, but the Union. Some may have fought for themselves, who knows?

It was hard on the Women here, with most of the men gone, young boys to do the farm labor, if they had them, and bandits roaming about. Being that Southern Appalachia was out of any aims of the Generals strategies, the place attracted deserters. A second Great Uncle of mine that was coming up during the War Between the States relayed a story in a book he wrote of his Mother, my Third Great Grand Mother, being attacked in the house by these marauding deserters. Her arm was yanked out of socket and one of the boys presented a pistol to them and they promptly left. They lived up on the West Fork of the French Broad and there weren't many neighbors around. Another story is of a woman hiding her silver ware in the bank of the river so the Union Soldiers coming through wouldn't find it. The Union that did come here were like the "Red Legs" you see in the movie "The Outlaw Josie Wells". The remedy for that was The Thomas Legion. A predominantly Cherokee Unit known as the 69th North Carolina Regiment.But, there is allot of land in these Mountains, and they couldn't be everywhere at once.

Swimmer, who passed along many of the stories relayed in James Mooney's "History, Myths and Lore of the Cherokee" served as a Company First Sergeant in the Legion.


Eastern Tennessee had allot of Union sympathizers. Here in Western North Carolina it was spotty. In Transylvania certain families were known to side with the Union, the Gillespies for example. It's been said the Owens's split from the Owens over the two sides. But if you ask them, they laugh and tell you that one side got to owing the other side money so they called themselves Owens's. Forget a "Nation Divided", it was a People Divided. Most for the Confederacy, a few for the Union and some didn't care. As the war ground on people were forced to one side by one event or the other. Thinking of it brings a point brought up by T.E. Lawrence referring t a neutral population. A neutral population can be persuaded by any one event or policy. Something that Col. Thomas tried to persuade the Confederacy from doing. He opposed conscription and suggested that slaves be freed.
An interesting story exists in Twisters Family of a descendant that was taken from the home by Yankees and hung. A couple of the slaves followed them and after the Yankees left him hanging to die, the slaves ran out and lifted him from the rope saving his life.
There's a book I saw down in Buttholeville, at the bookstore, describing how people had mixed emotions. The South was in fractions, and the North probably was as well. I doubt that it was all "those crazy people down South want to start their own Country! To Arms!!!". I'm sure someone said "why don't we leave them the hell alone??".
If the North had occupied the South the way they had after, they would have had allot less sympathetic to them. People don't fight for causes, they fight for reasons. But once it was done, everyone tired of war, and agreeing to peace, they let it lye. The Thomas Legion never surrendered their guns, they just agreed to stop fighting. The whole period is a testament to the people of Southern Appalachia's independence, foolishness, fierceness, meanness and survival. It was an confusing time filled with ironies. It wasn't simple, it was complex and deadly. It was a hell of it's own. It was what war is, painful, and if it's not, you best back up and refight it. But like any endeavor, it could be done differently with better effect. And, if so, less would have suffered.


Below is a picture of Transylvania County Confederate Veterans around 1911. There is another picture I'm aware of that is a little more clear. I descend from a couple of those men.


This photo is of the Confederate Veterans of Macon County, around 1905. I'm not as aware of that side of my family but I stand to have an ancestor in the picture as does Twister. It's a little large and played with the view here, so I linked it.

I found these photos on this page of the UNC Library.

Not that the song is related, but here's some Dead Confederate,"Make Me Laugh".


It's been over a hundred years since all of that happened, Southern Appalachia is still existing with independence, foolishness, fierceness, meanness and survival under the occupation of our own demise.

The Appalachianist

12 Comments:

Blogger sage said...

Good post. I'm currently reading (actually listening) Rick Bragg's memoir of his father, "The Prince of Frogtown." It's set in North Alabama--he notes that one of the ironies of the South is how men when off to die for a system in which they'd never enjoy the benefits. He notes that at least for his dad and his family (which has indian blood), they have as much "war whoop" as "rebel yell." They fight, that's what they do...

William Trotter has written a three volume history of the War in North Carolina. I've read two volumes, dealing with the coast and the piedmont. I haven't read his third dealing with the mountains, but it should be interesting. The Piedmont volume discusses attempts within the state to withdrawl from the Confederacy in 1864--Governor Vance hated Jefferson Davis and in many ways NC, the last state to leave the Union, got the worst of it as it lost more men than any other southern state.

I remember my sixth grade teacher telling a story about her Great-Granddad, who was hanged by Yankees and as soon as they'd moved on, family members cut him down. He lived.

Have you read Cold Mountain? It also discribes the difficulty of life in the mountains during the war. THe movie is pretty good, too, I think.

10:16 AM  
Blogger pipsqeak said...

Good history lesson and one that isn't heard much. Have you heard about the issues the state of NC had trying to get back it's original copy of the Declaration of Independence? A union soldier took it when the capitol was taken and it has been sold around to private dealers for awhile. I think the state just got it back a few years ago.

10:36 AM  
Blogger Perry Eury said...

Great post. Sage mentioned William Trotter, and I would recommend Trotter's book on WNC during the war, Buckwhackers. It is a very readable account and I think the history is solid.

That passage I had quoted was from John Hadley, a Union officer who escaped from a prison camp in Columbia, SC on November 4, 1864 and managed to make it home to Indiana by Christmas. You can see how their adventures in WNC would have inspired "Cold Mountain". Hadley and his friends had to be very careful in revealing their identity as they sought help in the mountains. Despite some close calls, they made it from Flat Rock to Mount Pisgah to Sandy Mush and on to safety in Knoxville.

Apparently, there was no shortage of deserters and renegades here in the hills at the time.

10:56 AM  
Blogger Hill Billy Rave said...

Ladies, first, boys.

Pipsqeak, first, thanks. I had not hear that about the copy of the NC Decleration of Independence. Interesting.

Sage, I've broused Bragg's books, and I like them. I like how he writes about plain 'ol people showing how interesting they are. Actually, it's given me the idea of writing aboutmy late Uncle Charlie, who's life lived up to that standard.
The other book you are talking about is "Bushwackers", like Gulahiyi said. I've read excerpts of it. Very interesting reading. I thought of it, but, didn't get around to mentioning it in the post. It only took three or four days to write it.
I suppose one reason NC lost so amny men, they were a big part of Pickett's Charge.
I have Cold Mountain, I've been on it. It's not ehe one on the Transylvania/Jackson County line. It's the one off in Shining Rock, at the end of the Shining Rock Ledge. Theres no such town, maybe Cruso? But, as far as the film, they did not want to film it here, citing the woods were not as big as the ones in Romania. I did not see that in the movie. Not at all. Wrong Transylvania. But, I do see how the loacal WNC Romania contengent settled here, there is a resembalence.
Thanks for the compliment.

Gulahiyi, there goes those East Tennessee people down the river again! Oh, but seriously, I'd like to read that. My Grand Father knew that area of the Escarpment well, but never mentioned a stone pillar that I remember. Maybe it never came up.
I had heard the Under Ground Railroad ran through Flat Rock. Sandy Mush? It's interesting. Interesting that you brought it up. Thanks for stirring the "dusty recesses" of my mind.

12:37 PM  
Blogger Chuck Connors said...

You mentioned Southern Appalachia
"...still existing with independence, foolishness, fierceness, meanness and survival under the occupation of our own demise."
We're headed into uncertain times now. I hope you won't take up arms against your neighbor.

1:01 AM  
Blogger Hill Billy Rave said...

WNCWU, uncertain times it is. Oh, but, I've got good neighbors. Better than State Farm.

7:48 AM  
Blogger Hill Billy Rave said...

But, to make a point, no one legislated us into neighborliness. We didn't need a politician to tell us how, or a beurocrat to explain it to us.

7:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

your words written here...sharing past and present is exactly why I come here.

~janie

10:02 PM  
Blogger Hill Billy Rave said...

Well, Janie, I'm glad you snook back in. I was going to e-mail you the other day when Seattle had that earthquake, but, my lap top was on the lame and it took about a week to get it back. And I ain't seen nothing in the news about Mt. Redoubt blowing or not since then.

BTW, you'll, I'm reading "Bushwhackers". And speeking of being bushwhacked, I got nearly bushwhacked by ice this morning walking into work.

7:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Except for the snow that keeps happening and causing havoc to the city...not a whole lot going on...though that's not exactly true for our Fort Lewis.

Keep warm and upright!
~janie

4:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great post and comments. I've read much about the issue-and I think you summed it up by saying how hard it is to understand it on all levels-a very complex time in the history of NC for sure.

Farther back in time-during the Revolutionary War-have you read anything about the Overmountain Men and the role they played in the war? It's also a very interesting time of history.

8:44 AM  
Blogger Hill Billy Rave said...

I know what you mean about snow, Janie. The other day I got 1/2" and the other side of the county got between 5 and 8". It ain't snowed for nothing here. Now, ice is another story.
I read about what you are talking about. I saw what can be said as nothing more than some "crazy shit" of guys sneaking girls into the barracks. One company had a girl staying for a week or so. The CSM came in and they put her in a sleeping bag and passed her from room to room, floor to floor through the windows without the CSM ever finding out. I'd heard girls giggling in the middle of the night. A blushing girl running from the latrine. But, we never had anything as stupid as that.

Tipper, it was complex for sure. War between the States was a War within the States as well. It was more of a "Civil War" in some places. People don't know "Civil War". The South had seceded. They were no longer a part of the United States. It was a war between two nations in all practicality, except on the partisan level that existed in some places, like the Appalachians, Missouri, and a small place of Mississippi.

I've not had the chance to read of the Over The Mountain Men alone. I should. I had Ancestors at Cowpens. I had Ancestors on both sides of the Revolution (My Cherokee blood). I've read short pieces. I always mean to go to Cowpens. I'd like to go back to Kings Mountain.
I'm sorry I didn't get back t your e-mail the other day, Tipper. It was about the time my lap top had a state of confusion. Things get by me.

8:48 PM  

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